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Vindalanda
Defensive behavior across monster types.
Mar 11 2008, 9:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 11 2008, 9:42 AM EDT
It is my understanding that:

1) There are three types of monster behavior; passive, defensive and aggressive.

2) Defensive behaviour is limited to same monster type.

When, in Dratan, Desert Spiders were defensive of Red Spiders, i put this down to a bug and changed my behaviour to compensate for it.

I have now repeatedly found, in Merac, Salamander Ruins and Cerebrii to be mutually defensive. Further to this i have found this behavior, in Salamander Ruins, does not extend to Gnoll Lancers.

I would be interested to know of other examples and if this is a fourth behavior type or a bug. 6  out of 9 found this valuable. Do you?    
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hennajin
hennajin
1. RE: Defensive behavior across monster types.
Mar 12 2008, 5:19 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 12 2008, 5:19 AM EDT
This really isn't a fourth type of behavior, however there are monsters that help similiar type creatures. For example, in Egeha, if you attack a Boucu Demon, and if another Boucu Demon is nearby, it will help its kin. But that's not all that will help a Boucu Demon. Two boss monsters with insane attack power and defense will also come to the demons aid. These are the Skinwalkers and Inkitomi.

Other examples inclue the Death Goddess and the Dark Goddess, the Female and Male Assassin bugs, Koyemsi and little Koyemsi. I'm not sure if this behavior is practiced by the Scorpiomantis and the Little Scorpiomantis.

This type of behavior is defensive, the same as if two Salamander Ruins would attack the same target. It's not a bug, just the way some monsters are programmed. Elder Drakes and Drakes also share this characteristic.

Hope I cleared something up. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

Vindalanda
2. RE: Defensive behavior across monster types.
Mar 12 2008, 7:28 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 12 2008, 7:28 PM EDT
I find this helpful and useful; thank you. It also explains all that Death Godess "bad luck" i had. Do you find this valuable?    
Sintoras
Sintoras
3. RE: Defensive behavior across monster types.
Mar 25 2008, 10:23 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2008, 10:23 AM EDT
yup its the same with little scorps and scorps....i think darks bogles and bogles are these kinda too. but only the dark on bogles, yeah i know that darks are agressive:P but sometimes whnei i att a bogle then a dakr come with and he is standing away some metres lol? btw: hennajin how do u explain the cerebriis aid on sala ruiins?:P they re not very similiar;P 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

Vindalanda
4. RE: Defensive behavior across monster types.
Mar 27 2008, 12:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 27 2008, 12:33 PM EDT
Sintoras draws attention, with Bogles, to something that i put down to paranoia on my part; that a Dire Spike Canine will attack from further away, than it would otherwise, when i attack a Spike Canine.

Might it be that a monster engaged acts as an extension of the attacker?

I would also like to suggest a chart be created re this thread. (Boss monsters, due to their inherent danger, and monsters that do not spawn close together, due to lack of utility; excluded.)

To this end, using the above and further findings, i submit:

Lv 22 Dark Goddess defends Death Goddess.
Lv 29 Desert Spider defends Red Spider.
Lv 42 Beast Archer defends Beast Flyer.
Lv 46 Beast Flyer defends Beast Crawler.
Lv 50 Salamander Ruin defends Cerebrii.
Lv 51 Cerebrii defends Salamander Ruin.
Lv 65 Bogle defends Dark Bogle.

Please add to and/or correct as you are able; or improve if you think i'm wrong re drakes & (treants?) say. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Myko
Myko
5. RE: Defensive behavior across monster types.
Apr 11 2008, 1:58 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 11 2008, 1:58 AM EDT
Add Orcs to this list. At least Orc Fighters and Orc Warriors are mutually defensive.
I played in Proc with my healer and I could stand in peace in the room where the stairwairs are. Once I attacked one of the Orcs all kinds (not sure about the Axe Orcs) attacked. Do you find this valuable?    

Vindalanda
6. RE: Defensive behavior across monster types.
Apr 11 2008, 5:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 11 2008, 5:15 AM EDT
I think Myko, you have come across this extended range of attack thing.

However, in the Prokion Shrine, as all monsters are listed as Aggressive, the situation of cross defence does not come up.

If you are still using the shrine; i wonder if you would be able to measure this extended attack effect? {I tried and failed using the jail.} Do you find this valuable?    

Vindalanda
7. RE: Defensive behavior across monster types.
Apr 19 2008, 6:59 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 19 2008, 6:59 AM EDT
CORRECTION

The Bogle does NOT defend the Dark Bogle. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
gquest
gquest
8. RE: Defensive behavior across monster types
Oct 25 2008, 2:32 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2008, 2:32 AM EDT
Check out the behavior of Wafes (Debirch, Peeler, Revertin, ...). It is very interesting... almost supportive. It would be nice to see this behavior more in other parts of Last Chaos. Do you find this valuable?    
Myko
Myko
9. RE: Defensive behavior across monster types
Oct 27 2008, 1:54 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 27 2008, 1:54 AM EDT
After a while fighting Wafes you will know exactly what they will do... and if you kill their Healers they are lost (since the healer wafes wont run away...). So if you want this behaviour in other parts of LC the designers should give the monsters a bit more "intelligence" ;)
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LSX533
10. RE: Defensive behavior across monster types
Oct 27 2008, 6:37 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 27 2008, 6:37 PM EDT
"After a while fighting Wafes you will know exactly what they will do... and if you kill their Healers they are lost (since the healer wafes wont run away...). So if you want this behaviour in other parts of LC the designers should give the monsters a bit more "intelligence" ;)
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Wafes are protective of all other wafes. Boucu demons, skins walkers, and endemic demons arer mutually defensive of each other also. As are sally ruins + cerebrils, beat archers + beast flywers, and many others. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?